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MSNBC’s Morning Joe October 31, 2025 6:22:36 a.m. EST WILLIE GEIST: I'm curious for you, though, Congressman, just sort of big picture. You just touched on some of the issues at the center of these two races, but then looking ahead to the midterm elections, just a clear message from Democrats about what's happening in the country right now. Whether you want to talk about the expiration of the subsidies for the Affordable Care Act, taking away people's health care with the so-called Big Beautiful Bill, hospitals closing, and urban and rural parts of the country, red and blue, it just, frankly, being too expensive to live in this country. As you see it right now, what is the most effective message for Democrats in this moment? REP. SETH MOULTON (D-MA): The Democrats are here to help working people in America, and Republicans are here to protect the billionaire class. And what you see time and again from this White House, you know, if you're a criminal, you're gonna buy your way to freedom with Trump. If you are one of the people, like him, who took advantage of young girls with Jeffrey Epstein, then we're gonna, sort of, make that go away. I mean, fundamentally — JOE SCARBOROUGH: Well, we — MOUTLON: — Speaker Johnson. SCARBOROUGH: We don't have evidence that he took advantage of young girls with Jeffrey Epstein. MOULTON: Right, right, right. Just common sense be damned. SCARBOROUGH: I'm not saying common sense be damned, I'm saying facts, let's look at the facts. Is he in the Epstein files? MOULTON: He's obviously in the Epstein files. And the reason that, fundamentally, Speaker Johnson has us on vacation is because he does not want to seat the newly elected Democratic Representative — SCARBOROUGH: Right, but you said — MOULTON: — from Arizona. SCARBOROUGH: — he took advantage of young girls. You have no — you have absolutely no evidence of that. MOULTON: I think it's pretty obvious that that's what’s going on here. SCARBOROUGH: You think it's pretty obvious? MOULTON: I do. And I think — SCARBOROUGH: Jon. MOULTON: — it's pretty obvious to the Republicans — SCARBOROUGH: Jon Lemire — MOULTON: — to the Republican Party. SCARBOROUGH: — any reporting on this? JONATHAN LEMIRE: Well, we know that he's friends with Epstein. We know the — SCARBOROUGH: Right. LEMIRE: — birthday card was in there. I mean, he has not been accused of any wrongdoing. SCARBOROUGH: No. LEMIRE: That's the point you're trying to make. But, also, certainly here we know that Speaker Johnson has kept the house out of session in large part to not seat the woman, the Congresswoman-elect from Arizona, who would provide the decisive votes to release more material. So, yes, certainly, that would be — and, you know, any association further embarrassing for Trump, but we don’t know — [Crosstalk] SCARBOROUGH: And, also, the book, the book that Virginia Giuffre wrote said he was — she never saw him around there. And I'm not doing his bidding, I'm just saying there's enough things to talk about Donald Trump without talking about — MOULTON: Well, fine. SCARBOROUGH: — what's not been proved. MOULTON: But the bottom line is that his administration, whether they're protecting Trump or whoever else, they protect people who can buy their way to the White House. That's what this administration is all about. And I think that all the rest of America who recognizes that, you know, there are people who play by one set of rules and people who play by the rest. SCARBOROUGH: Right. MOULTON: There are people who are getting tax breaks, there are people who can buy pardons, and there's all the rest of us — SCARBOROUGH: Yeah. MOULTON: — just trying to afford a home, that's a reality for Americans today. And the more that Democrats can speak to that other America, the real America, actually, the people who are trying to play by the rules and get ahead and maybe even just be able to go on vacation once a year — SCARBOROUGH: Right. MOULTON: — then we're gonna help them out. And that's what — SCARBOROUGH: Well, I mean, that makes sense. There's a long leap from that to what you said. I just, again, just want to be very clear there's enough to talk about Donald Trump and — without making that assumption. If you want to make that assumption, you can do that on the floor, the House floor. And if you have documents on it, then I’m sure the American people want to see that.
