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CLEVELAND, Ohio — In this episode of the Wine and Gold Talk podcast, Ethan Sands and Chris Fedor dive into Darius Garland’s recovery progress, the likelihood of a minutes restriction, and what it really means to be healthy versus game ready. More Cavs coverage Looking deep at what Donovan Mitchell means to the Cavs – Terry Pluto What Joe Flacco’s 470-yard day says about the Browns; a big idea for the Cavs’ second unit: Terry’s Talkin’ podcast Cleveland’s sports billionaires refuse to pay their fair share while city battles poverty Takeaways: Garland’s Potential Return and Recovery Darius Garland has been upgraded to “questionable” for the upcoming game against the Philadelphia 76ers, signaling his potential season debut after undergoing toe surgery. According to the hosts, his recovery has been progressing positively, with Garland attacking his rehab and participating in various team activities, including sessions with the G League’s Cleveland Charge and pregame warmups. The training staff is pleased with how his body has responded to the increased activity. While he is pushing to play, the final decision rests with the team’s health and sports science staff, who must provide official clearance before he can return to the court for a meaningful NBA game. Managing Minutes and On-Court Effectiveness Upon his return, the Cavaliers plan to carefully manage Garland’s playing time to avoid overexertion. It is anticipated that he will play between 24 and 28 minutes, likely in six-minute bursts per quarter, rather than being thrown into a 32-minute role immediately. The hosts emphasize the distinction between being “healthy enough to play” and being “effective.” It will be a “feel out process” as Garland reacclimates to the intensity and physicality of NBA games. The team and fans are cautioned to expect initial growing pains as he works to regain his rhythm and timing, with his full All-Star form likely to return gradually over the subsequent weeks. Easing the Burden on Mitchell and Mobley Garland’s return is expected to significantly reduce the offensive load on Donovan Mitchell and Evan Mobley, who have shouldered heavy usage and decision-making responsibilities in his absence. His presence commands a different level of defensive attention, which in turn creates more space and better opportunities for his teammates. The hosts predict Donovan Mitchell will publicly state that Garland’s impact transcends statistics, as his ability to draw defenders and create chaos benefits the entire offense. His return helps diversify the offense, allowing the team to have multiple pathways to success and making it harder for opponents to key in on just one or two players. Addressing the Team’s Offensive Struggles The Cavaliers’ offense has struggled significantly to start the season, ranking 26th in the NBA with an offensive rating of 111.3. The hosts note this poor performance has occurred despite a relatively manageable schedule. Garland is seen as the engine capable of elevating the offense back to an elite level. His impact is backed by statistics from previous seasons, where the team’s offensive rating was substantially higher when he was on the floor. His return is expected to make it easier for the team to generate consistent, high-quality shots, reducing the need for players like Donovan Mitchell to work as hard to create scoring opportunities. The Unique Skillset Garland Brings Beyond scoring, the most significant value Garland brings back is his unique pace, control, and ability to manipulate defenses in the half-court. The hosts describe his game as having a “musical element” and an “elegance” that has been missing. His talent for getting paint touches, breaking down defenders, and making elite-level decisions from the painted area is a critical element the offense has lacked. This ability to bend the defense creates easier looks for everyone, including players like Larry Nance Jr., who will benefit from the additional space. Garland’s return injects a blend of creativity, flair, and precision that can turn functional possessions into dynamic offensive performances. Listen using the player below: You can also listen using your preferred podcast app. Subscription information is below. Subscribe and listen onApple Podcasts or Spotify. The video version of the podcast is on YouTube as well. Transcript NOTE: This transcript was generated by artificial intelligence and could contain misspellings and errors. Ethan Sands: What up Cavs Nation? I’m your host Ethan Sands and I’m back with another episode of the Watch and Gold Talk podcast. Joining me today, none other the man, the myth, the legend, the cast, beat reporter from cleveland.com Chris Fedor. And Chris, we are coming to the listeners today with probably what the Cavs fans have been waiting for most since the offseason. Darius Garland is potentially going to make his return against the Philadelphia 76ers on Wednesday as he has been upgraded to questionable after toe surgery earlier this offseason. As well as Jared Allen and Sam Merrill are also questionable for the contest. They will likely all be game time decisions and Kenny Atkinson, if asked before the game, I’m just guessing, is going to say they’ll go through warmups and we’ll see what happens from there. But Chris, this is probably the most we’ve heard about Darius Garland other than him being sent to assignment for the G League to work with the Cleveland Charge and begin this ramp up. And of course we talked all offseason about the potential for him to come back around November, not necessarily knowing when that would be, but he didn’t even miss 10 games. If he were to make his appearance his season debut on Wednesday, what do you think about how he was able to recover from toe surgery and then also knowing that he was able to come back in such a quick fashion? Chris Fedor: Yeah, I think credit to him the way that he attacked the rehab, the things that he did to get himself ready. Know a lot of signs have been pointing to this, Ethan. He’s not only participating in stuff with the G League Cleveland Charge, but pregame warmup sessions. He’s been doing those things. He’s been participating in the team portion of shoot arounds, whether it’s been at home, on the road, staying after practice, getting there early. I don’t sense that he’s overdoing it in any sort of way. I think he’s doing the rehab the way that he should be. I think he’s increasing the activity the way that he should and there are steps in this recovery process. There are always steps in any recovery process. And you know, as he continues to get over each hurdle, the training staff has been happy about the progress that he has made, about how his toe is responding, about the conditioning that he’s been able to do behind the scenes. So all of those things have it feeling like he’s ready to play it in a meaningful game. Now we’ve talked about this a number of different times, Ethan. There is a difference between being healthy enough to play and effective. And this is going to be a process. Still for Darius, part of his recovery process is playing in meaningful NBA games. Increasing the activity, increasing the intensity, increasing the physicality, the stop start, the change of direction, all of that kind of stuff. How does this toe respond to that? How does his toe respond to 25 to 30 minutes if that’s what he’s going to get? So all of this stuff is kind of wait and see. And Kenny Atkinson even said earlier today, ethan, it’s a feel out process. I’ve got to figure out, okay, how much am I going to play Darius? Is he going to raise his hand and ask out, we don’t want to overdo it. It’s only November. All those things are going to be taken into account. But the positive signs are every single time he has added something else to the recovery process, his body and his toe has, has responded the way that the Cavs have, have been hoping that it would. And obviously the way that Darius has been hoping it would because he loves to play, he wants to be out there and he’s been pushing behind the scenes saying, hey look, look at all the things that I can do behind the scenes. Give me the green light and let’s see what happens here. Ethan Sands: And you mentioned that green light, Chris, and we heard that a couple of times in today’s practice press conference with Kenny Atkinson and simply saying that it’s not necessarily his decision. Like they have to hear from the sports science team, they have to hear from the health team, they have to get clearance for Darius Garland to go. Because as much as Darius Garland has been running around at shoot around in practice or before games, getting shots up and just hanging out with fans and interacting and inching towards this return, there’s still, as you mentioned, the concern about just ramp up and where he’s going to be at effective wise. Because we know when Darius Garland wants to come back, he’s going to want to have a pivotal role on this team and it’s going to deter him maybe slightly if his shot or his motion or his movement isn’t back to the capability or the level in the standard that he’s used to. And I think that’s something that Cavs fans will also have to give early. Growing pains too, as we continue to use that word throughout the early part of the season. Chris Fedor: I’m just telling you right now, tomorrow night’s post game, if Darius makes his official debut tomorrow against Philadelphia, tomorrow night’s postgame, Donovan Mitchell is going to say something along the Lines of I don’t care how many points he scores, I don’t care how many shots he missed. I don’t care about any of that stuff. Darius Garland is back. He’s on the floor. He’s making a difference. He’s making an impact. He’s causing attention, he’s causing chaos. The way that I’m guarded is going to be different. The way that some of these other guys are going to be guarded, that’s going to be different. Because that’s the kind of impact that Darius can have, that’s the kind of effect that he has on this offense and in turn the kind of effect that he has on the opposing defense. So mark my words, there is going to be a quote from Donovan Mitchell tomorrow night if Darius plays about him saying something along the lines of, I don’t care how much he scores, I don’t care about the missed shots, I don’t care about any of this stuff. Darius Garland has recovered from this toe surgery and he’s back on the floor and we’re a better team because of it. Ethan Sands: And Chris, I just want to get into this very quickly because Kenny Atkinson said if he does make his return, and he would not confirm or deny that he did say if he does come back, it’s not going to be he’s going to play 32 minutes in his first night back. But is he going to play 20 minutes? Maybe not. Right. Because they still believe in the conditioning, the ramp up process that he underwent to get back to this point. So what do you think? Is it going to be like 25 to 28 if he comes back? Chris Fedor: I think it’s going to be between 24 and 28. I’d be really, really surprised if it crept over 28. That’s kind of the number that the Cavs have in mind when it comes to Lonzo Ball in terms of managing his knee, in terms of just getting him through the entirety of this regular season as healthy as possible and hopefully for their sake, as as fresh as possible going into the playoffs. So for Darius, you know, given the fact that he didn’t have any preseason, he didn’t have any training camp, this isn’t a situation where you just put him out there for 12 minutes or 15 minutes, one stint in the first half and one stint in the second half, that doesn’t do anything for Darius and that doesn’t do anything for the Cavs. But, but I think somewhere between 24 and 28 is about right. Um, if you’re talking about a four quarter game that’s about six minute bursts each time and then you kind of give yourself a couple of minutes as a buffer if you want him on the floor closing the game. So I think that’s kind of the way that the Cavs are looking at this, at least initially. When it comes to Darius and Chris. Ethan Sands: You talked a little bit about just Evan Mobley, Donovan Mitchell and how they’re going to be affected when Darius Garland comes back. And I just wanted to ask you about that. Do you think Darius Garland’s return shifts the mental load for these two players who have had a lot of the usage percentage, a lot of the usage when it comes to this start of the season? Not just touches necessarily, but decision making responsibility when like, does Darius Garland restore balance to this offense or this team? Because he could be the missing engine of the offense. Chris Fedor: I think the whole thing with getting Evan more involved, getting Evan more comfortable, it’s just a way for the Cavs to have more pathways to success on the offensive end of the floor. So that if they get into a situation like last year in the playoffs against Indiana where the Pacers guards were pressing Donovan Mitchell or they were pressuring Darius Garland and they were taking the Cavs out of their offensive rhythm and out of their offensive flow, they really didn’t have too many other places where they felt like they could go because during the regular season their offense was what it was. The featured guys were who they were. So I think the whole idea behind the Evan Mobley is more of a focal point. Evan Mobley is more of a number one option, was, okay, things are going to happen throughout the course of a regular season or things are going to happen throughout the course of a playoff series. We want to have had experience with Evan as the focal point so that when we get into a situation and teams are taking Donovan out of the equation or trying to take Donovan out of the equation, trying to make him as uncomfortable as possible out on the perimeter at the point of attack? And the same thing with Darius Garland. It’s not going to be a foreign concept to go away from that and go to something else. You know what I mean? So as many ways that you can diversify an offense, the better off you’re going to be. And you need to do it during the regular season so that guys know what to do when that happens, so that the team as it as a whole knows what to do when that happens and so that guys like have been through that. So if they have to go that direction, they’re going to be comfortable in Those kinds of situations. But when it comes to Darius, Ethan like making him a decoy, what does that do? Darius Garland is an elite offensive player. Darius Garland makes this team. And elite makes this team capable of being a consistently elite offensive machine. I mean, if you look at the team’s numbers last year with and without Darius Garland, when he was on the floor last year, the Cavs had an offensive rating of about 1:24. When he was off the floor, the Cavs had an offensive rating of 1:15. And that’s what Ty Jerome on the roster. By the way, the non Darius minutes were kind of tied. Jerome like minutes. So that just tells you the kind of effect that Darius has on this offense. And then the way that he raises the ceiling of this offense because of his playmaking, because of his passing, because of his ability to break down defenders. Kenny Atkinson termed it earlier today, he creates an advantage for us on the offensive end. The more guys that you have that can create an advantage, Darius now Donovan now Evan Mobley, now maybe DeAndre Hunter. It just puts the defense in a different kind of bind. So I do think that Darius is going to be a high usage guy. I do think that Darius is going to be very involved in the Cavs offensive attack. You know why? Because it’s successful when that happens. Because Darius, it’s an elite offensive player, he’s an elite pick and roll player. And because it benefits the offense to have Darius used that kind of way. Yeah, there are going to be times where he’s playing off the ball and there are going to be times where he’s more of a decoy. And the Cavs don’t want to throw too much on him too soon. But the best thing that he brings to this offense, you have to take advantage of that. And the way to take advantage of that, the way to capitalize on that is, is to give him the ball and let him do his thing. Let him do what makes him special. And I don’t think the Cavs are going to shy away from that just because there’s this point of emphasis to make Evan Mobley more of a focal point. I think there’s enough room within this offensive structure to have Donovan Mitchell a focal point at times, Darius Garland a focal point at times, and Evan Mobley a focal point at times. I think they’re all going to be high usage guys and it’s just finding a way to blend all of that together and make it similar to the offensive machine that we saw last year. Ethan Sands: A lot of people can turn to his shot as what the Cavs might have missed most. Right. And obviously Darius Garland was on the cusp of 50, 40, 90 points last season, which is phenomenal. But the pull up three, the floater, the scoring, sure, that’s all nice. We’re like, that’s not where his biggest value is going to show up right away. And that’s part of the reason why this Cavs team was so cautious in his return. And that’s also why Darius Garland was so intentional about how he went about his recovery process. He actually knew what it felt like to be hampered to play through a turf toe in the playoffs. And to me, it feels like he never wants that feeling again. And why would you? But what Cleveland missed the most is his pace, control and his ability to bend defenses in the half court. And obviously there’s different structures to how that operates. But Chris, when we talk about this offense and what it’s been able to accomplish to the beginning of the season, which obviously hasn’t been much, the majority of the success has come in the flow of the offense when Lonzo Ball or Donovan Mitchell are initiating in transition in getting the ball ahead, which is what Kenny Atkinson has relied on. But with Darius Garland, there’s added element of you don’t have to force be Donovan Mitchell or Evan Mobley or DeAndre Hunter in the half court. It’s more so let us let the ball flow again. And I think it’s going to be fun to watch because of the rotations that could change or how Kenny Atkinson is going to operate with Lonzo Ball and Darius Garland potentially being on the floor at the same time. It’s especially because you understand now that Lonzo can guard some of the players that would have readily attacked Darius Garland in previous seasons. But I want to get your thoughts on with Lonzo Paul pushing the pace and in creating early clock opportunities, how does Darius Garland’s court tempo, half court tempo and ability to manipulate, pick and roll angles actually complement that? Because we could see more layering. Darius Garland could be setting up second actions after Lonzo’s early offense. How that all kind of ties into what the Cavs and what Kenny Atkinson had planned for this team coming into the season. Chris Fedor: Yeah, I mean, I think anytime you talk about somebody with the offensive skill set of of Darius, you’re talking about an addition. I think there are going to be times where it might be a little bit clunky and it might be a foreign concept to Darius to play alongside certain guys because some of these guys are new, some of these rotations and Lineups are going to be different, but I don’t have too many questions about how he’s going to blend into this offense or what he’s going to mean to this offense. And I don’t think the Cavs have too many concerns about it either, Ethan. I think they’re looking at the positives, you know, point blank, it’s only seven games into the season, it’s only early November. You know, this isn’t the time of year where you really dig into numbers and you feel like those numbers are going to tell you the entire story, or even a story. But I think it’s fair to point out in the first seven games, the Cavs have had one of the worst offenses in the entire NBA. It’s not like they’ve had this meat grinder schedule in terms of opponents that they’ve played against, right? I mean, you can score against the Milwaukee Bucks. Teams do it all the time. I think the Raptors have put up close to a hundred points through three quarters against Milwaukee’s defense tonight. So that’s not the Oklahoma State Thunder. So if you go down through the list of teams that the Cavs have played against, this version of the Boston Celtics, right, the New York Knicks, not the same kind of formidable foe on the defensive end of the floor because they no longer have Tom Thibodeau, they didn’t have Mitchell Robinson for that game, and all these different factors. So the point is, the Cavs haven’t played against a meat grinder schedule. And through seven games, they’ve been one of the worst offenses in the NBA on the level of the Washington Wizards in terms of just efficiency, offensive rating, sheer numbers. And it doesn’t mean that they have done everything poor on the offensive end of the floor. Like there have been glimpses of that thrilling offense that we watched for 82 games during the regular season last year, where the ball is popping, where bodies are moving, where different guys are touching it throughout the course of one possession, where they’re pushing the pace, getting it up ahead in transition. You can feel the impact of Lonzo Ball, right? You mentioned his hit ahead, passing, his ability to control the pace, his ability to see things two steps before they actually happen, and his teammates trying to get adjusted to that. Like there have been little flashes of that throughout the course of these seven games, but it just hasn’t looked like a complete picture. And I think part of that is because of what’s missing. Max missing is a big deal for this offense. Darius Garland missing is a big deal for this offense. Not having Ty Jerome the way that the Cavs did last year, that’s a big deal for this offense. He single handedly shifted games for them last year in the regular season. He single handedly won games that they probably should have lost in the regular season. So not having those things, it’s clearly been an adjustment. But when you’re talking about one of the worst offenses in the NBA and you’re getting a premier offensive talent, there aren’t too many things that I’m going to say about like the negative effects of of Darius Garland or the potential clunkiness of Darius Garland or not fitting as seamlessly because he needs to learn Lonzo Ball or not fitting as seamlessly because Kenny Atkinson’s using different lineups and rotations. Everything about Darius coming back on the offensive side of the floor I think is going to benefit the Cavs greatly. I think it’s going to benefit Lonzo greatly too because there’s not as much in terms of responsibility, playmaking responsibility, organizing responsibility, he can kind of be. I think what the Cavs have asked of Lonzo in the first seven games might be a little bit more than what they were anticipating in terms of playmaking, in terms of organizing, in terms of getting the team in their sets and stuff like that, and even in terms of a workload. So I think you take some of that responsibility from him, you take some of that responsibility From Craig Porter Jr. You take some of that responsibility from Evan Mobile, you take some of that responsibility from Donovan Mitchell and you shift it more towards Darius. And I think that can be a. Ethan Sands: Good thing for the Cavs. Chris, you mentioned the offensive rating of teams through seven games of the NBA season for 2025, 2026. The Cavs currently ranked 26 in the NBA in offensive rating 111.3. That is just ahead of the New Orleans Pelicans 106.8. The Indiana Pacers without Tyrese Haliburn 106.6 the Washington Wizards 105.5. 30th spot for offensive rating is the Dallas Mavericks at 103.6. So that’s not what the Cavs want and it’s not what Darius Garland does for this offense. And as we’ve seen dating back to when in 2023, right when he was becoming the player that the Cavs knew he could be, it was apparent. But there’s also stats that back that up when it comes to the on off numbers from what Darius Carlin contributes to this team. And when it comes to from 2023 to 2025. When he was on the floor, the Cavs had an offensive rating of 120.2. When he was off the floor, the Cavs had an offensive rating of 114.8, still better than what they have now, but 114.8 would be right around the Detroit Pistons on offense this season. Obviously the true shooting goes up, the turnover percentage is better and all these other things. But Chris, what I’m looking forward to most of watching Darius Garland come back if he makes his debut against the 76er, is the beauty of his game. I kind of talked about this a good amount last year, but there’s almost like a musical element to it. The way he dribbles isn’t just control, it’s in rhythm of a song, of a melody. Each crossover, each hesitation, each shift of pace, which we talked about already feels like a note in a song because you think about this, this is a guy who understands the artistry of the game and wants to break down his defender with flair and skill, but also like choreography and fun because he wants to add in his celebration at the end of it. This guy is this Cavs team have missed that art form because basketball without Darius Garland, as we talked about with Lana Ball, it feels different. It feels just functional. But there’s not this elegance to it. And for his game, it’s a blend of precision and creativity that turns possessions again into performances. Chris because I do think this is a guy that loves to have fun. He’s always smiling. And even though that this Cavs team might want to be a little harder, you still need someone in the locker room that’s going to keep it light even when things are going tough. And that’s why I don’t think Darius Garland is going to be affected as much if he struggles early on because I think he’s learned also the beauty of his game is the process of it and enjoying what comes the good, the bad, the ugly. And that also comes from being ranked one of the rated one of the worst players in the NBA to an All Star with high quality analysts saying that they would rather have Darius Garland on their roster than John Morant as of late. Chris Fedor: I mean it just feels difficult for the Cavs to to generate consistent quality offense. Kenny Atkinson talked about their shot quality on threes, their shot quality overall, the number of passes, the number of ISOs, like all those different things. And it just feels like there were times last year where the Cavs were obliterating opponents and they were just making it look easy and it was free flowing. There was so much rhythm to it and it just came naturally. It came easy. And the dynamic of Darius and Donovan, obviously that gives you such an advantage. You can break down so many different defenses, you can put them in such a bind because of those two guys specifically. And then you add on what else the Cavs had for, for that roster. And in the first seven games, Donovan has had to work so damn hard to create offense. And, and look, it comes easy to Donovan because that’s just who Donovan is. He scored 37 the other night, made it look easy, but that’s because he’s such a prolific shot maker. That’s because he’s such a prolific scorer. It’s been hard on Evan Mobley to generate consistent quality looks within the offense. It’s been hard on DeAndre Hunter to generate consistent quality looks with the offense. And I think the beauty of Darius and his addition to this team when he makes his debut, and it does feel like it’s going to be Wednesday against Philly, but I don’t think we can say that for certain right now. The beauty of it is that it should make the Cavs not have to work as hard to generate these quality looks to get a good shot on, on a given possession, because there’s just this element that he brings that, that bends a defense a different kind of way. It’s. It’s obviously different than Craig Border Jr. It’s obviously different than Lonzo Ball. It’s different than even Sam Merrill in the way that he goes about it. And I just think there’s this ease that comes on the offensive end of the floor. There’s this ease that comes playing alongside somebody like Darius Garland. Dean Wade feels it, I think DeAndre feels it. Evan Mobley, I think feels it because all of a sudden some of those eyeballs that are more geared towards him, they have to be looking toward Darius. There’s a different level of attention that he commands from a defense. So I do think the way that Kenny Atkinson phrased it earlier today about just he has an ability to make everybody around him better just with his sheer presence. I think the Cavs are going to feel that even though there are going to be some growing pains and the all star version of Darius that the Cavs got during the regular season, they’re probably not going to get that until maybe toward the end of this month, a couple weeks into his return. I don’t know how you really put a timeline on that necessarily. I don’t know how you quantify that necessarily, but I think it’s going to be easier for the Cavs on the offensive end of the floor to consistently generate quality looks. And it’s about do they have enough guys that can make the defense pay for that and cash in on those quality looks. Ethan Sands: And Chris, I think it was strategic. If Darius were to make his debut tomorrow, it would make sense because of the stretch of schedule that they have coming up. Chris Fedor: Less travel. Yep. Ethan Sands: And I just think there’s teams where Darius Garland feels like he can manipulate different situations and as you mention it, allowing Evan Mobley and Donovan Mitchell kind of to re acclimate to having Darius Garland out on the floor with them because as we know, they practice a couple of times, they’ve gone through five and five scrimmages. But it is different. And the Cavs have talked about this dating back to training camp. It is different going up against your own teammates and going up against full live on competition in the NBA. And I think Darius Garland is going to recognize that when he gets back on the floor, whenever that is. But I do think it’s going to be a development process and a learning curve for everybody involved. Especially when you talk about players that are new to the system, including Lonzo Ball and Larry Nance Jr. Who played with him before. This is a different version of Darius Garland than when Larry Nance was first year. And if Thomas Bryant plays, he’ll get that experience as well. Chris Fedor: I mean we talk about the guys that benefit from Darius. I think Larry can benefit greatly now. He’s got to make shots. He hasn’t done that early on. Obviously for Larry it’s more about April than it is November. But think about if, if Larry is spaced out to the corner, if Larry’s setting some screens for Darius, if they’re running some DHO stuff, whatever the case may be. Two man game. Yeah. Know the kind of attention that that is paid to Darius is just very, very different. And that means more room, more space for Larry, more space to get off shots, more space to attack off the dribble, more space to potentially playmake out of the short roll, more space to potentially find some guys on on back cuts and stuff like that from the elbow extens. So I do think there’s an element of of Darius Larry that is interesting for the Cavs that they do want to explore that. I do think from a skill set standpoint, I think those two guys can play off each other really, really well. Ethan Sands: Arguably the biggest area that Darius is going to help, which I don’t know if we mentioned yet. On this podcast, and I’m going to say it before we get out of here, is touching the pain, getting some paint touches. We talked about breaking down defenses, but being able to get into the painted area and then having the decision making skills to decide where the ball needs to be and whether he has an optimal perspective of scoring the ball or finding a better look. That’s something that Darius Garland is so elite at and the Cavs have missed dearly as we talked about on the podcast and and their lack of drives and their lack of free throws and all of these things because of where Darius Garland hasn’t been and obviously what he’s going to bring when he comes back. But with all that being said, that’ll wrap up today’s episode of the Wine and Gold Talk podcast. But remember to become a KAZ insider and interact with Chris, me and Jimmy by subscribing to Subtext. This is where you can send in your weekly hey Chris questions or find out firsthand if Darius Garland is going to suit up Wednesday night. But the only way to do so is signing up for a 14 day free trial or visiting cleveland.com Cavs and clicking on the blue bar at the top of the page. If you don’t like it, that’s fine. All you have to do is text the word stop. 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