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Below is an edited transcript of an episode of “Interesting Times.” We recommend listening to it in its original form for the full effect. You can do so using the player above or on the NYTimes app, Apple, Spotify, Amazon Music, YouTube, iHeartRadio or wherever you get your podcasts. Ross Douthat: Men and women are different. That is a core premise of conservatism in the age of Trump, that liberalism and feminism have come to grief by pretending that the sexes are the same. But what does that difference really mean? Should the right be trying to roll back the entire feminist era? Or is there a form of conservative feminism that corrects liberalism’s mistakes? My guests this week, Helen Andrews and Leah Libresco Sargeant, are both conservative writers, both critics of feminism, but they have very different views of what a right-wing politics of gender should look like. So, Helen, Leah, welcome to “Interesting Times.” Helen Andrews and Leah Libresco Sargeant: [Simultaneously] Thank you. Douthat: [Chuckles.] You’re welcome. I should note, this is the first time this show has had more than one guest, so it’s a radical experiment for me as a host. I make no promises about how I will handle the disagreements or agreements to come. Thank you for your patience while we verify access. If you are in Reader mode please exit and log into your Times account, or subscribe for all of The Times. Thank you for your patience while we verify access. Already a subscriber? Log in. Want all of The Times? Subscribe.
